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number three, we have a long-term opportunity around energy. america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time? that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its growth trends if suddenly we have a huge fight taken out of the average american's paycheck. >> new gun regulations. mayor bloomberg of new york told me a couple weeks ago on this program that ought to be your number one agenda item. you know how hard this is. do you have the stomach for the political fight for new gun control laws? >> you know, david, i think anybody who was up in newtown who talked to the parents, who talked to the families, understands that something fundamental in america has to change. and all of us have to do some soul serving, including me as president, that we allow a
number three, we have a long-term opportunity around energy. america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time? that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its...
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becoming energy independent on its own. do you really think it will happen? because i still talk to a couple of people in the oim and gas industry that say, you know what? it's a far cry from the reality out there. we're still going to see the middle east being the dominating oil exporter. >>. >> i think in terms of any oil forecast, my experience is i'm lucky if i can forecast the oil price more than six months. so to forecast it eight years out, what's happened also is in terms of supply is that last year another reason why the oil price got held up was that we had problems in the north sea. the only nonopec user who came up with the goods was the u.s. everybody else failed as they always do. >> i was just wondering, christian, what your thoughts are. also, we were looking at the higher oil prices. higher being anything north of 100 at the time saying it's going to slow down a recovery in markets. this time around, now we're using to prices being in the region of 100. but what are your thoughts when you look at oil at the moment? >> well, we've had these tw
becoming energy independent on its own. do you really think it will happen? because i still talk to a couple of people in the oim and gas industry that say, you know what? it's a far cry from the reality out there. we're still going to see the middle east being the dominating oil exporter. >>. >> i think in terms of any oil forecast, my experience is i'm lucky if i can forecast the oil price more than six months. so to forecast it eight years out, what's happened also is in terms of...
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very cheap energy without being driven by economic weakness. that's one thing. and then i guess on the potential negative side, i really do think that there's always the chance that the central banks have kind of, you know, kind of -- they basically have the system in therapy right now and they think they have the medical dosages right in terms of free money. and if they sort of lose control, whether it's in europe or somewhere else, i really do think the markets should be unprepared for that if we go down a few months down that road. >> mike, ezra, good to have you on the program. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> have a great new year. >>> up next on the "the wall street journal report," the faces that made the news of 2012 on our show. we will bring you the best of the best. find us on facebook/mariabartiromo. back in a moment. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you
very cheap energy without being driven by economic weakness. that's one thing. and then i guess on the potential negative side, i really do think that there's always the chance that the central banks have kind of, you know, kind of -- they basically have the system in therapy right now and they think they have the medical dosages right in terms of free money. and if they sort of lose control, whether it's in europe or somewhere else, i really do think the markets should be unprepared for that...
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. >> we try to move more energy outside of the u.s. to asia in particular, getting those contracts in place will be more important. but that is a ten year timeframe. >>> not-so-good news for nokia, a month after the launching in the u.s., cell phones are offered at steep discounts or free on u.s. carriers or amazon. nokia is betting heavily on that phone which runs microsoft's windows 8 system. it launched in november with at&t for $99. another version of the phone also available force 99 at verizon. some discussion, dennis, this is just how things work. >> i don't think that's how things work. if you buy an iphone 4s. this is not the most current model, iphone 4s, had verizon, tough pay $99. that is the outdated model. i encourage -- i don't know if people can tweet to the show, i would love to see photos of people actually using the nokia lumia. >> even for free, you mean? >> free or charged. >> would they use it for free? >> don't believe it is being used. >> on the subway, i count who's doing what. i've seen -- >> being very paroch
. >> we try to move more energy outside of the u.s. to asia in particular, getting those contracts in place will be more important. but that is a ten year timeframe. >>> not-so-good news for nokia, a month after the launching in the u.s., cell phones are offered at steep discounts or free on u.s. carriers or amazon. nokia is betting heavily on that phone which runs microsoft's windows 8 system. it launched in november with at&t for $99. another version of the phone also...
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we're looking at the energy boom in the country. we're looking at the wireless mobility aspects to technology and we're looking at the -- one other phenomenon is the competitiveness. >> does that bring mom and pop home? >> what will bring mom and pop home ultimately is losing a little bit of money in their bond funds. over $1 trillion in bond funds over the last four years. but if you look at survey work, particularly survey of consumer finance by the federal reserve board, you'll see that people still want to buy equities. that's been true for the survey for the last, you know, 10, 12 years, despite what just happened. most people don't understand this, 35 to 39-year-olds is a cohort of the americans who begin to save for retirement. essentially they get married in their mid-20s, have a couple of kids, and buy the house and then go off to save for retirement and children's education. that group peaked in 2000 in terms of americans, fell since then, turns in 2013, starts to grow and it will be bigger than the baby boom is over the n
we're looking at the energy boom in the country. we're looking at the wireless mobility aspects to technology and we're looking at the -- one other phenomenon is the competitiveness. >> does that bring mom and pop home? >> what will bring mom and pop home ultimately is losing a little bit of money in their bond funds. over $1 trillion in bond funds over the last four years. but if you look at survey work, particularly survey of consumer finance by the federal reserve board, you'll...
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the energy complex trading slightly lower across the board this morning. let's take a look at the west texas intermediate price, lower by about half a percent. brent price slightly more than that today. nat gas is the biggest loser, more than 2% of a decline there. temperatures across the country, not cold enough to keep that demand up right now. keep in mind, that the energy complex is fairly well supplied, as we head into the end of the year. meantime, the fiscal cliff, of course, is a concern here. but traders are saying that they do think we're going to get some sort of a deal within the foreseeable future. that's why prices are not breaking down even more than that. on the year, looking at wti, the price showing 7.25% decline. a quick look at how the metals are trading as well. gold is getting a bid today. those gains are somewhat muted. still under the 1,700 mark. copper is the bigger mover as we're looking at the pmi data out of china. last but not least, gold on track to show a 5% gain as the best performer in the metals con flex. >> let's head to
the energy complex trading slightly lower across the board this morning. let's take a look at the west texas intermediate price, lower by about half a percent. brent price slightly more than that today. nat gas is the biggest loser, more than 2% of a decline there. temperatures across the country, not cold enough to keep that demand up right now. keep in mind, that the energy complex is fairly well supplied, as we head into the end of the year. meantime, the fiscal cliff, of course, is a...
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eastern time. >>> it's been quite a year for the energy sector. sharon epperson with a look at what could be in store for the industry in 2013. >> reporter: on the road to north american energy independence, the next decade is crucial. and in the new year, the dramatic rise in u.s. oil production will continue its extraordinary climb. at the same time, u.s. petroleum supplies will have a greater reach. in the first quarter of 2013, more of the nation will have additional pipeline capacity. helping to alleviate the abundance of domestic supplies and perhaps mitigate any meaningful price gains. after a year full of fluctuations, by the end of 2013 oil prices my not stray far from where they started the year. it's no secret we have a lot of natural gas. enough to have flooded the market with more supply than the nation could possibly have consumed this year. but those days may be coming to an end. what will we do with all this natural gas? in the new year, the u.s. will find more ways to utilize or export the cheaper, cleaner fossil fuel and set the
eastern time. >>> it's been quite a year for the energy sector. sharon epperson with a look at what could be in store for the industry in 2013. >> reporter: on the road to north american energy independence, the next decade is crucial. and in the new year, the dramatic rise in u.s. oil production will continue its extraordinary climb. at the same time, u.s. petroleum supplies will have a greater reach. in the first quarter of 2013, more of the nation will have additional pipeline...
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energy, we believe the u.s. is moving more closely toward energy independence over the next three to five years. lastly industrials are the most eclectic sector in the u.s. market and really focus on the industrials, machinery, railroad companies that will really benefit from the domestic revival we see the second half of 2013. >> i saw a piece yesterday, brian, that said one of the big trends of the year is scruffy beards, very light beards on celebrities. i can see you're enjoying that trend. looks good. >> thank you carl. >> see you next time. >>> financials and the fiscal cliff. what is next for the big bank trade after a big run up in 2012? we have sanford bernstein's brad hintz to weigh in. first rick santelli always clean shaven is joining us next working on something for a little later on. >> we have jeff carter. we're going to talk about the fiscal cliff but from a much more cynical perspective. he believes that the cbo's call, if we go over the cliff in recession, well, he doesn't believe him. he says
energy, we believe the u.s. is moving more closely toward energy independence over the next three to five years. lastly industrials are the most eclectic sector in the u.s. market and really focus on the industrials, machinery, railroad companies that will really benefit from the domestic revival we see the second half of 2013. >> i saw a piece yesterday, brian, that said one of the big trends of the year is scruffy beards, very light beards on celebrities. i can see you're enjoying that...
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that's led by energy sector and stocks. ex-financials. and what's also giving us a bit of pause heading into 2013 is the fact that these expectations are calling for about a 7% increase in earnings for next year which may not seem heroic on the surface, but it is a reacceleration from the 5% that we're going to post most likely in 2012. >> you have to think about fundamentals then. >> yeah. i'm worried a bit about that and the fact we're probably going to see a reset in earnings estimates in the next three or four weeks. because these negotiations, we're going to get some closure and resolution. it's still going to be a 1%, 1.5% fiscal drag. that's going to be an impact on earnings heading into 2013. >> rick santelli, what do you make of the reporting that john harwood just came out with a moment ago? what do you think that means? >> well, i found it a little bit curious. because here we are with mitch mcconnell and the vice president trying to work this out from a senate perspective. and the story is the house isn't going to vote for it.
that's led by energy sector and stocks. ex-financials. and what's also giving us a bit of pause heading into 2013 is the fact that these expectations are calling for about a 7% increase in earnings for next year which may not seem heroic on the surface, but it is a reacceleration from the 5% that we're going to post most likely in 2012. >> you have to think about fundamentals then. >> yeah. i'm worried a bit about that and the fact we're probably going to see a reset in earnings...
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only one of them can be a tech stock, one a health care stock, one a financial, only one can be an energy company and one an industrial and only one a food and beverage-maker. what if you're not sure? always err on the side of caution. if two stocks trade together, underlying companies succeed or fail based on the same factors, you're not diversified, oil driller and oil producer, people think they are different, both part of the same sector, software and hardware, look, both techs whether we like it or not, not doing this to be arbitrary or capricious or make it more difficult to pick stocks. when you get too concentrated in one area the moment something bad happens to one of the two big stocks in that area you want to throw yourself off the bridge because the loss will be enormous. imagine if you owned too many industrials when the economy started to slow due to the blow up in europe and fast-growing markets like china slammed on the brakes with higher interest rates, you got obliterated. how about if you owned too many banks right before the financial crisis hit? i know a lot of people
only one of them can be a tech stock, one a health care stock, one a financial, only one can be an energy company and one an industrial and only one a food and beverage-maker. what if you're not sure? always err on the side of caution. if two stocks trade together, underlying companies succeed or fail based on the same factors, you're not diversified, oil driller and oil producer, people think they are different, both part of the same sector, software and hardware, look, both techs whether we...
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some popular tax deductions and credits from the stimulus bill, on clean energy, wind energy, education tax credits would be preserved under this deal. unemployment benefits extended for a year. there would be a doc fix. that is preventing doctors who work under medicare from having their reimbursements dramatically cut and you've had a fix to the alternative minimum tax, protecting tens of millions of families from a huge increase in their tax bill based on some provision that was originally intended only to hit people at the top. that's what we know so far but there's still elements in play and democrats have not yet scheduled a caucus meeting in the senate to sell this deal to their members. when they do that, you can expect vice president biden to go to the hill, talk to democrats, try to persuade them to vote for this. >> you mentioned in the biden/mcconnell talks, a couple of sticking points. one is the sequestering. what was the second one? >> well, there's disagreements over the estate tax. there's disagreements over the, how to pay for and whether to pay for the so-called doc f
some popular tax deductions and credits from the stimulus bill, on clean energy, wind energy, education tax credits would be preserved under this deal. unemployment benefits extended for a year. there would be a doc fix. that is preventing doctors who work under medicare from having their reimbursements dramatically cut and you've had a fix to the alternative minimum tax, protecting tens of millions of families from a huge increase in their tax bill based on some provision that was originally...
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energy costs in terms of natural gas are down. china is reinstituting fiscal stimulation and japan is on the move in terms of easier money. all that is a positive, but we have come to expect in the asset markets a 10%-plus type of return for taking equity risk. and really if the real economy only grows at 2% to 3%, it is a case of spending straw into gold and how long that will continue. a 5% return from stocks, 2% to 3% from bonds is something we should expect going forward even with the pluses that you mentioned. >> what about your outlook for gold? your outlook is that gold is going to move higher in 2013, and i would assume that's because you know the fed will be in the house. >> we think gold will move higher as will commodities. it is hard to say exactly how much. gold to my way of thinking is a function of real interest rates to the extend real interest rates continue low and even come lower than gold can catch a bid, but ultimately it's an asset that depends on inflation to the extent that the fed and other central banks c
energy costs in terms of natural gas are down. china is reinstituting fiscal stimulation and japan is on the move in terms of easier money. all that is a positive, but we have come to expect in the asset markets a 10%-plus type of return for taking equity risk. and really if the real economy only grows at 2% to 3%, it is a case of spending straw into gold and how long that will continue. a 5% return from stocks, 2% to 3% from bonds is something we should expect going forward even with the...
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gold has some energy. some of the currencies have been exhibiting energy. for the most part, we have been grinding sideways slightly higher in the stocks. >> so what happens in january? do you think we're going to see any type of switch in terms of people's mind-sets and willingness to invest? >> well, i think that's a great question at this point. i mean, i think there's outer extreme levels right now that you have to keep your eye on. i think for the most part, it's anyone's guess what will actually happen and the development that will take place. but the markets established this outer extremes right now, which will probably be tested. i mean, again, whether it's because of confidence and some sort of optimism or reassurance in the market and we'll test an upper level or concern and, you know, risk and fear associated with the market. right now what we've been seeing coming into the end of the year is a an increase in volatility and that fear could cause the volatility index. surprisingly, i was thinking about it this morning coming in, surprisingly, that
gold has some energy. some of the currencies have been exhibiting energy. for the most part, we have been grinding sideways slightly higher in the stocks. >> so what happens in january? do you think we're going to see any type of switch in terms of people's mind-sets and willingness to invest? >> well, i think that's a great question at this point. i mean, i think there's outer extreme levels right now that you have to keep your eye on. i think for the most part, it's anyone's guess...
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energy stocks trading lower for the fifth session in a row largely on fiscal cliff worries. a lot of traders worried about a barrage of spending cuts, tax increases that come with that cliff. take a look at we look at conoco phillips, valero energy, marathon oil, exxon mobil, and chevron all in the red. finally, some retailers are among the few winners today. look at walgreens, some of the others here. even american express. anything related to consumer spending appears to be hanging on. that does it for us here. let's get back to headquarters. scott wapner and the fast money report. >> all right. thanks so much. welcome to the halftime show on this friday. four hours to go until the close. here is where we stand at this hour on wall street. red arrows across the board. the dow is down nearly 70 points. here's what we're following on halftime right now. treasure and trash looking back at 2012's biggest winners and losers. traders tell you what the new year may bring. hi higher tech's ann blinblat joins us with what names to watch in 2013. the top story, over the cliff, where
energy stocks trading lower for the fifth session in a row largely on fiscal cliff worries. a lot of traders worried about a barrage of spending cuts, tax increases that come with that cliff. take a look at we look at conoco phillips, valero energy, marathon oil, exxon mobil, and chevron all in the red. finally, some retailers are among the few winners today. look at walgreens, some of the others here. even american express. anything related to consumer spending appears to be hanging on. that...
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spoke to me by phone as i was preparing to go on with a source familiar with the talks who noted a wind energy tax credit is preserved as the president eluded to in his remarks. also depreciation for businesses with spending money on new equipment. all of those things arement wills of the tax deal, but until they get the sequester, the budget elements worked out, the deal's not going to be finished. >> now, the deduction phaseout. this is relatively new. any idea at this point which deductions we're talking about and any timetable for them? >> i have to confess, bill, i don't know how exactly that works. these are provisions that were first initiated in the 1990s as a way of getting more revenue from people at the top without raising their rates. so what you do is you take the same deductions that other people can take and you limit their value over a certain income level. this is in addition to something the president's proposed of making the tax deductions for people above a certain income level valued only at a lower percentage tax rate than the 39.6% rate. we'll see how all of these things
spoke to me by phone as i was preparing to go on with a source familiar with the talks who noted a wind energy tax credit is preserved as the president eluded to in his remarks. also depreciation for businesses with spending money on new equipment. all of those things arement wills of the tax deal, but until they get the sequester, the budget elements worked out, the deal's not going to be finished. >> now, the deduction phaseout. this is relatively new. any idea at this point which...
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wyden is set to become chairman of the senate energy and natural resources committee next month. opponents believe the unchecked exports would threaten jobs and exports in manufacturing. >>> in the meantime, the low cost of gas here brings a plan to build a north american facility just to ship it back to europe. the "wall street journal" reports the company will build the $659 million plant in the u.s. or canada and the facility will huge natural gas to produce iron which will be sent back to europe to be processed into steel. >>> meantime, the nasdaq falling today but get this, shares of research in motion, yes, r.i.m., bucking the trend. seema mody with us now. this is not a typo, is it? >> not a typo. take a look at shares of research in motion. as you point out, best performing stock on the nasdaq 100, quite a sharp rebound when you take a look at shares in comparison to last friday, when the stock dipped lower by around 20%. of course, many traders calling this a relief rally when you have a lot of traders covering their shorts. there is also some blogs out there leaking pic
wyden is set to become chairman of the senate energy and natural resources committee next month. opponents believe the unchecked exports would threaten jobs and exports in manufacturing. >>> in the meantime, the low cost of gas here brings a plan to build a north american facility just to ship it back to europe. the "wall street journal" reports the company will build the $659 million plant in the u.s. or canada and the facility will huge natural gas to produce iron which...
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what can we expect from energy in 2013? joining us from london is jason from european oil and gas research at mccard securities. i'm going to ask you an overall question, jason, and i don't know how you answer this, but, for investors, that are looking at a way to play energy, i mean, is it going to be basically hydro carbon based? are we back to that where it's either natural gas or oil exploration or some facet of that? >> i certainly think so. i think that did we're looking for trends in 2013, you know, the potential re-emergence of higher natural gas prices could be there. we think it's going to take some time for that to happen. i think the trend in 2013 is going to be a continuation of the 2012 trend, a very high refining margins in the midcontinent of the u.s. and that's because of the rising u.s. crude oil production from places like the balkans. we still think that stocks like western refining and holly frontier could still be very good investments for 2013. and then those oil produces like eog resources would be a
what can we expect from energy in 2013? joining us from london is jason from european oil and gas research at mccard securities. i'm going to ask you an overall question, jason, and i don't know how you answer this, but, for investors, that are looking at a way to play energy, i mean, is it going to be basically hydro carbon based? are we back to that where it's either natural gas or oil exploration or some facet of that? >> i certainly think so. i think that did we're looking for trends...
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back, guy, but not come racing back and it's all because of the shale plays and that's why i think energy produced out of there is going to put a cap on how much of a rally we're going to see out of coal. >> how about jcpenney? anybody willing to take a bet? we had an analyst on "squawk on the street" on monday who visited stores over the weekend, said, you know what, the traffic was good. they went back to their promotion always and brought people back in. >> until there's an actual turn in the data, i don't care what a store looks like on a tuesday. i can't invest based on that. when we look at the data, technically, the stock's been acting a little better. there's a ton of shorts in this thing, though. that's hard to go by and there's just not turn yet. i'd rather buy the thing higher when there's some sense that the business has stabilized. i don't want to buy it here where we really have no idea when these metrics bottom. so, this is not something where i feel like i have any kind of edge over anyone else. i'm content to let it pass. >> i'll just offer the contrary view to what josh
back, guy, but not come racing back and it's all because of the shale plays and that's why i think energy produced out of there is going to put a cap on how much of a rally we're going to see out of coal. >> how about jcpenney? anybody willing to take a bet? we had an analyst on "squawk on the street" on monday who visited stores over the weekend, said, you know what, the traffic was good. they went back to their promotion always and brought people back in. >> until...
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nymex leading the energy complex. we had the contract here go above $91. that's a two-month high for the current contract. partly we've seen a little bit of a weakening of the dollar. that has certainly helped commodities. also optimism about the fact they're getting back to work in washington to try to avert the year-end fiscal cliff situation. meantime, one of the things that's interesting is how wti nymex has performed. year-to-date it has been the worst performer with regard to its loss versus a gain on the benchmark now for the global crude of brent. because we continue to see a glut here in the u.s. of oil that's produced, and unable to get out to the rest of the market, to the global market, because of a lack of infrastructure. in fact, that brent premium for a second year has topped $15 on average for the year. we're close to $20 here. nat gas also getting a bit of a boost today. the near term forecast certainly chilly. you can see that with all of that snow that's headed towards the east coast from the midwest. back to you. >> thank you very much,
nymex leading the energy complex. we had the contract here go above $91. that's a two-month high for the current contract. partly we've seen a little bit of a weakening of the dollar. that has certainly helped commodities. also optimism about the fact they're getting back to work in washington to try to avert the year-end fiscal cliff situation. meantime, one of the things that's interesting is how wti nymex has performed. year-to-date it has been the worst performer with regard to its loss...
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and the second is, of course, the remarkable thing going on with energy based around shale, gas and oil. if these two sources of strength persist, you know, is the disappointment about the cliff enough to negate those two things? i suspect the answer is probably not. what it might mean is the difference between an economy that's going in the 2% vicinity of one that could, if a credible deal unleached from the korcht sector and beyond, one that could get back to what most people were -- if not normal, think of the old one in the 3% vicinity. >> jim, to the extent a client were to call you today and say, look, the market is dounl a little bit and who knows if it will be later today. do us this is a buying opportunity, then? >> well, you know, because i look at, obviously, things in such a global context, in any case, because the u.s. market has rallied so much from 2009, and as you guys, i hope, recall, i've been in the bull camp ever since, measures of valuation in particular so-called capital adjusted p/e ratio tight model which is a very conservative approach. the u.s. market isn't che
and the second is, of course, the remarkable thing going on with energy based around shale, gas and oil. if these two sources of strength persist, you know, is the disappointment about the cliff enough to negate those two things? i suspect the answer is probably not. what it might mean is the difference between an economy that's going in the 2% vicinity of one that could, if a credible deal unleached from the korcht sector and beyond, one that could get back to what most people were -- if not...
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energy prices and dependent reducing. look-term we get to the right place. but we've got to get a credible solution that has integrity. the more integrity the solution has, the more it addresses the long-term issues. the more cash will move out of investor portfolios and into markets. >> because looking at across this, as you say, valley, and abroad, there are people like mark fauber that think that assets will be marked down 50% based on what we already owe in terms of commitments to be made and entitlements in this country. so that what we've seen in other parts of the world is already going to happen here, that we can't really change our future. so you could make a -- you could make a decision as a wealth manage her to get defensive, not based on the fiscal cliff but based on the fiscal abyss. >> you could. for individuals, though, you asked the question earlier, andrew, what can you do? it's almost impossible for individual investors to market and be successful. so what do you do in an environment like this? every individual ought to have a plan. they ou
energy prices and dependent reducing. look-term we get to the right place. but we've got to get a credible solution that has integrity. the more integrity the solution has, the more it addresses the long-term issues. the more cash will move out of investor portfolios and into markets. >> because looking at across this, as you say, valley, and abroad, there are people like mark fauber that think that assets will be marked down 50% based on what we already owe in terms of commitments to be...
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the notion we're running out of oil, it's going to be gone, we need the government to create the next energy industry. we will spend all this money on these renewable things. it will be great. we know how to do it, we have experts. then a disruptive market driven technology comes along that generates $2 natural gas makes all that stuff or basically puts it into the future and the money just went down the drain. a case study the way dwogovernm planning and infrastructure spending, you will get 10 cents of every dollar you spend, basically. that should be in a future book, shouldn't it, to show you the way? we have to learn it again and again. >> it should. as your kids get older and my kids are at that age, it should. as a you start to see some of the school's syllabus for business classes and marketing classes, what you will learn, joe, making a profit is the last thing any of these classes want to teach. >> it's a dirty business. >> there was a time 4 or 500 years ago a middleman marked something up, that was supposed to be a bad thing. supposed to have a zero-sum game between buyer and ser
the notion we're running out of oil, it's going to be gone, we need the government to create the next energy industry. we will spend all this money on these renewable things. it will be great. we know how to do it, we have experts. then a disruptive market driven technology comes along that generates $2 natural gas makes all that stuff or basically puts it into the future and the money just went down the drain. a case study the way dwogovernm planning and infrastructure spending, you will get...
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. >> it's where to be in energy. you know, natural gas -- one of the things about natural gas which i love is that everybody kind of -- you see them come on your show and elsewhere on cnbc and they talk about this great boom that's going on in shale drilling. and i'm on the other side at this point and this is a tremendous bust in shale drilling that's going on because the price will not allow the innovations to move forward at this point. there's no demand source that's coming back into the market. >> a little better. >> there's no transport demand session coming back. >> it's better than 180. it's not what's needed for a real excitement about the fuel which is $5, $6, $7. >> so should we have a national policy to try to use more of this national gas and pump prices up and get people to do that instead of focusing on solar and hoping we'll have sun? >> yeah. by the way, i think that we should be doing both. that's really -- i think we should be doing both. but in terms of natural gas in 2012, there's been failure af
. >> it's where to be in energy. you know, natural gas -- one of the things about natural gas which i love is that everybody kind of -- you see them come on your show and elsewhere on cnbc and they talk about this great boom that's going on in shale drilling. and i'm on the other side at this point and this is a tremendous bust in shale drilling that's going on because the price will not allow the innovations to move forward at this point. there's no demand source that's coming back into...